Originally Posted by
catmandew52
All it takes is one lapse, one time, one second.
When someone is killed in a railroad crossing accident, the psychological damage to the engineer is so great, they usually quit the railroad.
Originally Posted by
david58
... you clarify by stating that this is one of the most extreme cases you have heard of. And then you point out his failure to mention how many engineers stayed on, followed by your equally data-less "Most...have hit something and most are still working." Is it all smoke and mirrors, or you got any numbers?
You refuse to acknowledge that it is even remotely possible that a driver of an auto might be traumatized by hitting a bicyclist. I don't have as broad a background as you do (
), so my limited sample of folks involved in auto crashes with deaths involved is probably not of the same scope as your experience. However, the family and friends I have known that were involved WERE messed up, and never got over the fact that a life was lost in the crash - and in most cases the only fault they had was being on the highway at that moment (hit by drunk drivers).
Folks that have killed without remorse are sociopaths - you paint with a very wide brush when you imply that drivers are such. When you blow a red light and get injured or killed, maybe you will be "lucky" enough to be hit by a sociopath, but most likely it will be a "normal" someone that will feel plenty of remorse, even though the accident will be your fault.
And folks want "fair." When we as cyclists ignore the rules of the road, drivers consider it unfair and paint us all with the brush of being JABs. You should understand
that, since you are so attuned to watching JAMs. If nothing else, following the rules allows some degree of predictability and order, and that is a good thing. With gasoline prices climbing and more folks commuting to work (at least in my small town), an anarchistic approach to cyclists mixing with cars is a bad thing. Forget the legality, the cars win.
But we ain't gonna change each other's minds, are we now?
So you think it is common place for trains to run into church buses killing lots of kids. How did you guys jump from cyclist going through red lights with no one close enough to hit them, to trains hitting church buses with kids.
Your's and catmandew52's extrapolation is extreme.
Since it was catmandew52 that started the train claims, then he gets to go first with proof. And one off extreme cases do not count.
And I see you are back to the tactic of trying to puts words in others mouths that you can then argue against.
I gave you a few examples of drivers injuring cyclist without remorse (even when it was the motorist fault); please do show all the articles of the drivers with such severe trauma that they gave up driving for life. Did any of the non-drivers involved in your accident claims give up driving for life?