Thanks badger, that's actually exactly the point I was trying to raise, I just wasn't sure the technical reasons behind what makes for the difference between a true flat-bar road bike in the hybrid category and an urban commuter bike. Right now my debate is between the VFR, Sirrus and Rapid. From what I'm reading, there's no reason that you couldn't get similar posture out of the Sirrus or VFR by adjusting the seat and bars, although it still doesn't make up for the longer centre. If I knew that a Sirrus or VFR wouldn't completely inhibit my ability to do longer trips or make me feel like I bought the wrong bike completely, then I would pull the trigger tomorrow. I guess in my mind I'm trying to justify the additional cost of the Giant and if that bike really adds much value to my commute.