Originally Posted by hamfoh

oops meant to say the usual leaders didn't show up.

I agree. I went on a no drop ride recently that was flying through lights, leaving people miles behind at times. I got into the middle of the pack (I live in the area) and at least made sure the crowd caught up to me and then we figured out our own way to go to the first stop since the original group was long gone.

This one was more of this person just going random places without rhyme or reason. She took 25 people on a skinny 1 lane bike trail that is unlit, I wanted to rage. I left right after the trail hit the road.

My problem is when leaders never check on the group. to me "leading" is more than picking a route, leaving first and doing it -- anyone can do that. Some people would stop at red lights to avoid getting hit by cars and she would be a red light ahead of them, running that one as well, forcing people who didn't know their way around to either risk a ticket, pissing someone off, or their safety in order to stay with the group