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Old 04-25-12 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by hiyer1
You seem to have misunderstood what I was saying - I was suggesting a provision at specific intersections wherein certain vehicles (bikes) are given the option to yield instead of waiting, just like many intersections already do with cars making right and left turns.
No, I didn't misunderstand what you were saying. I was simply pointing out that if everyone ignored laws that they felt were inconvenient, then there would be nothing left but mayhem.

Originally Posted by hiyer1
And? You say that like it's something that hasn't occurred to me, like it should affect my decision in any way.
Nope, I don't expect that anything I have to say will affect your decision. You seem to have your mind made up about what you feel is right.

Editted to add: I rarely am trying to convince anyone of anything. I quote people if I have a specific response or to use their post as a jumping off point to my own thoughts.

Originally Posted by hiyer1
We have laws because not everyone can employ reason to guide their everyday actions; most only operate on immediate action-consequence rational
In part yes. However, not everyone is going to reach the same rational conclusion. Two people could examine the same situation and come up with different conclusions about the most reasonable action. That's where laws come in, they define a single set of rules so we don't have everyone doing what they think is best. Predictability of others' actions is perhaps the single most important aid to safety.

Originally Posted by hiyer1
Finally, laws are not written for the exceptions...on any given road, bikes are still the exceptions, and as more and more enter the road, the laws will have to be re-written, that is the nature of governance.
In Pennsylvania, there are already many exceptions for bicycle, pedestrians, construction machinery, and farm machinery (I'm sure there's others I'm not thinking of). They're not perfect, but it's a start. Since I don't see a location in your profile, I can't determine if the same is for you.

Originally Posted by hiyer1
Please read and carefully consider all my points before responding.
I almost always do.

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