^ Glad you like 'em DD. I had a pair of KKT Pro Vics for a while that were the bane of my existence (esp. when riding in soft-soled shoes), and the quill on those is very similar. I sold 'em with my old hi-ten Apollo, and heaved a sigh of relief (I actually rode them on that bike, even though they were not giving me any great comfort, because I had no other pedals handy and couldn't be bothered to switch out the pedals from the other bike for a ride to the store). This way, these ones will be put to good use (I'm sure), and stand as some small indication of my appreciation after a sterling facilitation experience.