bigfred 

Kevlar bead/folding tires tend to be a bit tight initially and loosen up with time. I however seem to be one of the people who don't like Rubino Pro's. On a friend's recommendation I bought some for Mrs. Fred. Because they went on rims and a bike that were both new to her, she couldn't provide any great reflections on them. I then bought a pair of 25mm for myself. First, there is hardly any difference between her 23's and my 25's. On initial install, her's were actually wider. After stretching out, mine are now marginally wider. But, more importantly, they don't offer very good traction. They may wear well and roll o.k. But, on them I've slid on dry clean curves that I had never experienced traction issues on with either Maxxis Re-fuses or Michelin Pro's. I'm not impressed. They'll probably end up on some back up wheels. But, not for wet weather.