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Old 07-29-05 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Trevor98
doctorSpoc: "his weird performance curve (i.e. going from good single day/classic rider to greatest TdF/stage race rider in the history of the sport) isn't at least enough to raise an ebrow?"

Um, the invasive events of his cancer treatment could plausibly explain this change but I am not saying he is clean. I am just saying we should, in the absence of adjudicated evidence, assume he is clean because he says he is. The circumstantial evidence could indicate cheating but could also indicate exactly what Armstrong and Co. say it does.

The thing about circumstantial cases is that the evidence must pass a simple test. Is there any other plausible explanation for the given evidence that indicates innocence. If so a jury must believe the innocent outcome rather than accused outcome. Convictions can only occur if the only reasonable conclusion drawn from the circumstantial evidence leads to guilt. Unreasonable explanations for the evidence do not count as valid (ie aliens did it). This is where Hamilton failed. The likelihood of Vanishing Twin syndrome did not convince two of three judges thus he is guilty of cheating. Circumstantial evidence is a main source of false convictions as it depends too much on partial information and witness believability. However, his Olympic medal is safe because of the unsubstantiated 1st test. The burden of proof was not met by the accusers (ie two conclusive samples).

I am constantly disappointed that we reserve the "innocent until proven guilty" only for the court room.
I guessing you'd be fine with OJ dating your daughter then?

There is nothing mysterious, magical or sacred about the Law it's just a process that is designed to give the desired outcome with a desired probability given the seriousness of the crime and the seriousness of the punishment. The Law does not equal Justice and the outcome of the legal process does not necessarily equal the truth. It's a numbers game and "innocent until proven guilty" is just a provision that ensures that individuals are put throught this process we call the law before we can punish them... that's it. And what i'm talking about is probabilities as well.

And we know that in the real world lots of people are guilty before proven guilty and some are even guilty after being "proven" innocent, and lots are innocent inspite of being proven guilty... that's why people reserve the right to hold their own opinion in spite of the Law and inspite of "innocent until proven guilty"... it sounds good but if we just went by that murders wouldn't get convicted on appeal and innocent people would be walking off of death row.

so sorry Trevor98, i give up my own judgement and opinion to no person and no process.. i will execise it and express it... it is the one right i have that no one can take away from me, you can give your's up freely if you like... i have a feeling if your daugher came home with OJ though that you might change your mind. that's you as OJ walks through the door -->
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