I guess what I'm saying is if a bike is made by so and so then it raises my eyebrow if it was actually made in their shop.

What's the whole story on TSD frames? Did they do like braze on work such putting on their own brake bridges or did they just get bare frames or so the painting there. Or did they build the entire frame up there. Like Trina said one Guerciotti she built up had Battaglin embellishments. Now I'm not saying I expect a Colnago to be brazed up Ernesto otherwise I'm not happy.

What famous companies sold their names and no longer associated with the brand?