Originally Posted by John Forester

Hagen, you have no knowledge of the facts. I might have been of some use for the safety of cyclists? The best evidence showed that that group of American cyclists who were most likely to be obeying the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles had a crash rate only 20-25% of that of the typical cyclists whose incompetent mode of operation the motoring establishment were trying to force all cyclists to adopt. Given that evidence, preserving cyclists' right to operate in the safer mode was the prime safety purpose and was the justification for opposing the American motoring establishment's discrimination against cyclists.