And.. The YJ tires are as good quality as most tubulars on the market as testified to by what seems to be a majority here. A lot of tubulars do not have flat protection, so once they're done they're done. I rather not spend $145 for 5 minutes or less of riding, and that is a possibility anytime you ride tubulars. I'd rather spend the big money on the bike, and buy tires that have a decent quality for the price. Honestly to the eye I have not seen a difference between the YJ's and other skinwall tubs I have seen in person, and the ride is nice. I know what I am going to pick.,,,,BD

To each his own....