This is a very interesting observation and subject, Brian. Fit and riding position. It's complex - and always evolving, in my case. It's technical and emotional ( I think of Eddie and his constant tinkering with seat position).

I came to the personal conviction awhile back that saddle position relative to the crank/pedals is the key to my good fit. Everything else follows that for me. I've experimented pretty thoroughly with various saddles, posts, stems and positions and I've know that the saddle forward position is the right starting point for this seat and post (zero setback) on this frame, given my body geometry. I look for a sense of rightness over the pedals, of the most natural position of power and comfort.

I have yet to really ride this bike so adjustments are sure to follow.

And, yes, it's also a function of working within the limitations of equipment at hand. That's a great part of the fun - creating something artful, well-balanced and purposeful, intuitively.

I'll take covetous remarks seriously and give you dibs when I'm ready to part with this frame, if you like. ;-)

Best,

Julian