that is true, they both are. i have a pair of swrve, they aren't the most comfy and are more fashion than function, that is, i would wear them on a commute, but not on a long road ride or mountain bike ride. at least the swrve knickers i have. between the two i prefer my chrome to my swrve for actual mountain biking... and this is just my opinion, based off my strange little body and how i like to feel.