Originally Posted by Neurocyclist

The Ogre is pretty awesome. However, I already own a Karate Monkey and do own a set of big apples for riding on pavement. So the Ogre/Troll would be a little redundant.

Now that I've been contemplating, I might just follow the flock and get a cross check frame. I wish Surly's complete Cross Check wasn't a weird set of components otherwise I might consider just saving time and getting a complete. But alas, I'm still just unsure about the geometry. I'm 6'1.5" with a 34.5" barefoot inseam (floor to crotch). The 58cm cross check seems like my best bet as I don't want a super long top tube, but from lurking around the forums I've noticed people having a hard time getting the right size on the cross check. I know bike fit is not possible over the internet, so I don't even know why I'm mentioning it. I guess just to see if anyone has had experience with having their cross check actually fit them like a glove--as that is what I am after.