Thanks for the apology. This is really interesting. It is as if this forum has a predetermined set of positions on current bicycling topics. All the old timers are in the know about what is and what is not acceptable to say. Instead of debating a forbidden topic, you guys eliminate it my making fun of it. Reminds me of the story about the prisoners who after a while being incarcerated knew all the few jokes so well that someone would just call out a number and everyone would crack up laughing. Newcomers wouldn't have a clue. What does it mean for a topic to be provocative? You have settled all the questions, and now you just refer to the prior decisions? "Say, have you heard the one about light weight?" Ha. Ha. Sad.