Yeah, I saw that. I don't really see it as P&R since he isn't running, or hasn't ran for anything in some time, but I am not going to question your authority as a moderator. My brain still isn't functioning correctly as I am recovering from a brain injury. So that comment might of been off base. Also I would like to say great job, you edited that, like right after I posted it. As long as we are talking about light bikes however, I'll try to stay on the topic. While we are talking about weight, here is what Lance Pharmstrong has to say about weight, since most of the Freds in the 41 worship him. He's talking about rider weight, but having the lightest bike possible means you can eat cake a little more often.