And I use Kysirium Elites on my commuter. IMO there is a difference between good wheels, and commuter overkill. S80s would be murder in crosswinds. If it is your only bike then I understand. One thing is that anyone who has deep-dish [carbon] rims should probably have a second set of shallow wheels.

But that is just my rant for the day since I had to work on a TT bike with S80s the other day and I was ready to beat the bike to death (Aero TT bikes are horrendous to re-cable, they take the simplest parts of the bike and then "aero" them which makes them damn near impossible to work with, then the S80 wheels didn
t even have the valve extenders installed properly, ughhh)

One thing that kills me is when ive got "poseurs" who come into the shop, who have got the total "wannabe" bike messenger thing going, in order to get a flat fixed. Hell, real messengers come into the shop all the time, I was a messenger at one time, and while there is an okay number who actually fit the stereotype the real thing that makes a messenger a messenger is that their bikes are scratched, dirty, most of the time broken in some way and considered disposable.

But in general I would answer the over-arching question by saying: no. There was this one girl who came into the shop who didn't even know how to fix a flat, she asked for a lesson and then a month later she comes in, she has fixed her flat tires multiple times and is doing a 13 mile 1-way commute every day on her hybrid. I was truly impressed, if bike commuting being "hip" brings out more people like her then I say bring it on.

What annoys me is when bike commuters don't want to spend ANYTHING on their bikes, they wont buy a pump, a lock, a half-way decent bike, lubricant, or anything. Then they act with outrage when you tell them that; yes, bike commuting does indeed take maintenance and money, less then a car, but it is not an eternally free transportation mode.