Originally Posted by
Commodus
I dont think many people give a crap about manufacturer's claimed weight, or even believe it. I was under the impression this weight is often given sans saddle as well.
Probably sans saddle, bar tape, cables, cable housing, frame paint, tubes, and anything else they need to remove to get the weight they are looking for. Paying any attention to manufacturers weights is pretty much worthless. Oh, they also weigh the smallest frameset available.