BTW, funny you should mention it, but your comment about "carpenters dream" reminded me that Body Glide is really good for fixing another really painful problem some of us get. If any of you get rubbed raw "up top" from the jersey and salt in the sweat (don't worry, those who have the problem will know what I mean), Body Glide applied before you ride to the TWO areas in question will fix the problem. I know I am opening up a can of worms with this comment and bringing down a s#$t storm on myself, but WTH, we're just having fun here, right.