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Old 06-26-12 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Kimmo
Danno and rekmeyata, before you guys continue swinging your dicks in people's faces, what with our inferior skillz and wimpy hands, why don't you guys tells us about brake pads and riding conditions and stuff.
On my 105 single-pivot sidepulls, I've used:

- original 105 pads
- 600 Ultegra pads
- DA pads
- Matthausers (original KoolStops with finned holders)
- KoolStop salmon
- currently unknown Weinmann black pads

Most riding done with Mavic MA-40 rims or MA-2. Racing done on Arc En Ciel, Mavic GL280, Sun M19a, M19a-II or Saavedra Turbo260 rims. Never had any issues with going from 60mph to 20mph on downhills with a single-finger squeeze on the levers.

rekmeyata, note that I didn't say how much more lever-force is required between single versus dual-pivot levers. It just said that it does require more force. Personally, I don't like too much leverage as it makes modulation at the limit of adhesion more difficult. The difference between howling the front tyre and sliding is featherweight.

I think the major factor clouding the single versus dual-pivot discussions is testing controls. Most people will replace the levers and replace/overhaul their cables when changing out single to dual-pivot brakes. If you had old-style straight-pull levers with exposed cables, these have less leverage than aero-levers with hidden cables. Just changing the levers alone while retaining the same crusty cables and single-pivot calipers will result in a 1.2-1.3x increase in leverage. Then add in new teflon-lined housing when you changed to dual-pivots will again add another variable to the mix.

The final result may be you get a 2.0x increase in squeeze-force at the rims for a given squeeze-force at the levers. But it's not all due to the dual-pivot calipers. I'd surmize it's more of 1.25x with the lever change, 1.3x with new cables and maybe 1.25x with dual-pivot calipers. So fairly even contributions at each stage gives 1.25*1.3*1.25 = ~2x double the clamping force. Of course this won't change actual braking-distances much as that's limited by the adhesion limit of the front-tyre.

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