originally posted by RoughStuff
In short, Ortlieb panniers are worthless, and I go over every single argument the Ortliebees give you.
RoughStuff,
so i guess you mean panniers for touring? (this Thread is under the touring heading, so that would make sense).
i personally tour mostly with a BOB trailer or just with a backpack for my MTB TransAlp tours (off-road is difficult with panniers), so i don't really have much experience with panniers for touring. i have only used my Ortliebs for a few small tours (sometimes in addition to my BOB - i toured with my girlfriend and carried almost all her gear too)
but for in the city daily commuting, i find the Ortleibs super, especially living places where it rains a lot - Portland Oregon and Munich! as far as things not drying out or getting wet: in daily commuting i rarely have wet stuff in my bag and having it completely dry when i get to work or wherever is VERY important.
anyway, i believe you may have some good points, but maybe should should change your statements to be that FOR TOURING you believe Ortliebs not to be ideal (maybe your website more clearly state that?). I find Ortliebs absolutely perfect for commuting.