Originally posted by nathank
.....but for in the city daily commuting, i find the Ortleibs super, especially living places where it rains a lot - Portland Oregon and Munich! as far as things not drying out or getting wet: in daily commuting i rarely have wet stuff in my bag and having it completely dry when i get to work or wherever is VERY important.
anyway, i believe you may have some good points, but maybe should should change your statements to be that FOR TOURING you believe Ortliebs not to be ideal (maybe your website more clearly state that?). I find Ortliebs absolutely perfect for commuting.
Yes, that IS a good point. If you wanna carry papers, or groceries, or even a small laptop, something akin to Ortlieb might make sense. But while they are 'waterproof' they are not moisture proof; and since they do not zip shut with a rain flap like many panniers do, it's only a matter of time before the rain and moisture find their way in.
My website doesn't say 'for toruing,' but yes i think thats the context, since it is a world touring site, not a commuter bike or racing site.
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