Originally Posted by
flipped4bikes
You know what really ticks me off? Is bicyclists filtering past other bicyclists. We were on this group ride and this one rider was slower than most. In an effort to keep up with the group, she would filter to the front whenever were stopped for a light or stop sign. A lot of us got PO'd because we had to pass her again when we got moving.
Think about that.
Your post and the earlier "fire truck" post, was pretty much indicative of what my post was about...
Originally Posted by
Daves_Not_Here
I think this discussion may be intermixing 2 scenarios:
2. The lane is so narrow that motorists must change lanes (partially or totally) in order to safely pass. In this case, a cyclist who repeatedly filters past a line of stopped cars and then "takes the lane" to cause those cars to re-pass is being inconsiderate, in my opinion.
Exactly what the issue REALLY is...
I see it a lot...
(This is when there's no bike lane or it's a substandard lane..)
Cars pass me when I'm taking the lane....
They get to a stop light....
I catch up to them...
I stop behind them, because there's not 3' to their right...
There are plenty of times when another cyclist comes up and bypasses everyone.
That's what ticks off everyone (including me-because I'm usually faster then other cyclists anyways) because we all have to re-pass the same cyclist, over and over at the subsequent lights.
It's a matter of fairness... Some people just don't get it. Too many cyclists think the rules apply to them only when it helps them.
Which leads me to the first part...
Originally Posted by
Daves_Not_Here
I think this discussion may be intermixing 2 scenarios:
1. The lane is wide enough for motorists to safely pass (without changing lanes) cyclists that are riding on the right-hand side of the roadway, possibly in a bike lane, shoulder, or just a wide lane. If a cyclist filters past a line of stopped cars and they have to repass, it's not an issue. I don't think any driver minds having to re-pass cyclists for whom they don't need to slow or change lanes.
When it comes to that scenario, this is what I see more often then not...
(Especially in "rush hour")
Bicyclist taking the lane "because they can" even when there is a 5' wide paved (free of debris) shoulder (not a bike lane) and make cars change lanes (partially or fully) and then when they're stopped at a light, the cyclist THEN moves into the shoulder to "filter thru to the front" and then when the light changes, they go back to taking the lane. And this process goes on and on until every motorist gets mad..
(These are also the guys who ask to draft me and then if I get a flat, they continue to ride on without even asking me if I need help!!)
(P.S. In my area, there's wide paved shoulders and lights every block)
There is one "cyclist advocacy" group (who I won't name) here in Florida who WILL purposefully be "inconsiderate" just to "prove the point of cycling superiority" when dealing with paved shoulders, FRAP and filtering..