Either, I guess. I figured Botto would know lots of old Dutchbags. Here in 'merka, I still know a few guys who were racing in the '70's and never stopped.

At our state track champs a few weeks ago, the oldest rider was 78, he's been around forever. When I was a kid back in the '80's there was a 70+ guy still racing with the 4's and being competitive.