Hills are relative anyway. I watch a lot of you guys on strava and compare it to my rides all the time. While the total climbing or even the grade are often similar, i always giggle when i see many of the so cal guys rides topping out still below the elevation of my house.

Thats whyi am dying to come ride gmr with you guys, i justmwant to see if doing that climb at a lower elevation is actually easier or not.