I have a box of saddles, then decided on a Brooks Flyer. Its on a fairly upright hybrid bike. I used to have constant pain from the box of saddle, and numb toes from standing on the pedals constantly trying to stay off the saddle. The Brooks Flyer let me sit on it without any pain at all. Never once had pain, a little discomfort until I had fit perfect though.

A b17 or flyer is labelled as being for bikes that have handlebars higher than seat. Mine is about level.