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Old 08-15-12 | 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by proileri

This pic is a few feet away, from about 35 angle, which is about the max angle for a 2-facet CPSC reflector. However, as you can see, the reflectors still function at this difficult angle. On the road would mean that the car is just about zooming past you, and the reflectors are still well visible. 2-facet CPSC reflectors (I have one in my hand ATM, it's a E(3)-approved one for road vehicles) are designed with partially overlapping fields of reflection: both facets are visible to about 25 degrees from parallel, and one facet is still visible to about 35 degrees.

The second thing you can see in this pic is the wide angle of a film (= soft) reflector. It has only one facet, yet it's visible to about 35 degrees. I have measured a film reflector ("bubble wrap tape") to be visible to about 45 degree angle from parallel. However, the trade-off here is the brightness - it's the same thing as with headlights: wider angle means lower brightness. You can see that the film reflector is not as bright as the CPSCs.

The second pic gives us a nice real life viewing angle - if you're a 747 pilot looking down at someone cycling on the runway

As you can see, we are probably starting to be a bit outside 35 angle, so the CPSC reflectors have or are starting to drop off. It's nice to see the performance of the film reflectors, though. As you can see, the DOT Conspicuity Tape is pretty much the most visible thing in the pic, even from a strange angle - although the tail lights are somewhat directional, and their performance suffers a bit too from such an angle, I think. Even the humble thin Scotchlite tape and trim does quite well from such close range.

Could you identify the reflectors in the pic, by the way? I'm thinking the red one is a LED light, and on the same height are two hard reflectors. What I'm surprised is that the curved film reflectors are not that well visible. Or is that because of the strong 400 lumen reflection off the jacket that makes them just appear non-reflective in the pic?

Unfortunately, 25 ft is not a good distance for estimating reflector performance. It's a fraction of a second away on the road, which makes it meaningless. Could you make the same pic from 50-100 ft away?

In my tests, I've established that hard reflectors have their primary reflection at 2.5 degrees from parallel, and film ones have their primary reflection at about 3.8 degrees and secondary weak reflection to about 4.75 degrees. Assuming 6' distance (semi truck driver height, or blown driver side head light in a passenger car), the drop-off distance is 70 ft for film reflectors and 140 ft for a hard reflector.

This is of course assuming the reflector is right in front of the passenger side headlight - if the cyclist is on the shoulder, the angle becames smaller, as does the drop-off distance. No difference with the semi truck light height, though.




Ah yes, sorry, my mistake! You are correct that extra facets don't increase the observation angle, they only do increase the entrance angle.

What I ment to say was that after 50 ft or so, it doesn't matter if one headlight is out, and that at 50 ft you're visible anyways. What I ment about facets was that in addition to widening the long range arc, they give a bit of extra visibility when the car starts to pass you, as one of the facets reflects the scattered light from a headlight. Better option, however, is to use a second, film-type reflector, that's visible to wider angle.
If you want to test the effectiveness of reflectors in the real world all one has to do is drive your car down a narrow street with parallel parking at night with your head lights on and see how many of the cars reflectors gleam back at you in full intensity...you'll discover that very few do no matter how closer or far you are. And the more of angle your at to a car reflector the worst it gets. I even went out tonight and turned on my car's lights while parked in the street and lit up the car in front of mine about 50 feet away, and only one of the two reflectors showed up. I checked the other car to make sure that reflector wasn't broken, and it wasn't. And as I drove around tonight I paid close attention to the cars parked as I passed by them, and very few reflectors did much of anything other then a dim glow at best.

The pic of the reflectors on the basket is just plain whimsical. Why you scream at me? Because you took the pic at about 2 to 3 feet from the reflectors! If a car comes up behind you at 45 do you think their going to be able to stop in time with just 2 to 3 feet stopping distance? Maybe if they were only going 5 mph they could, but again that's not the real world.

The vest you show has poorly made reflectors, because the reflector strips should be glaring back at you as a stark beaming bright white or in your vests case green light. A true safety vest has reflector strips that work far better then reflectors on cars! But that vest is the dimmest reflector ability I've seen from a vest, with that in mind even the best vest are not that great, and the world of night time worker safety is slowly getting the idea that reflectors don't do the job very well and are switching to flashing LED vests instead; see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QETvInyfiGI So even highway safety is discovering the lack of safety offered by just a reflective passive vest vs and active vest.

Can't comment on the runway pic since it's not working.
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