Thanks everyone so far, TJ helped with the ortlieb alot. I am trying to pack to my necessities and be as light as possible if I would go with a MB. Good luck with the shoulder in the future btw.

I am leaning more towards trying out a messenger bag just to try it out. Ill have to look into the seagull some more. But one of the reasons why I am siding more with the chrome is because they are at LBS and I'm able to try them out. Also, Does anyone have an opinion on the night series? I really like the idea of the stealthy reflectors although do you guys think this is a feature worth having? Or is it more just for looks rather than function..