well if you didnt read the first posts we're talking about them because they're the tire that came on my bike. the previous owner put them on my bike right before he sold it to me (they were unused)
since i have put 300 miles on them and they have gone flat on me 4 times, the rear 3/4 times.
hence me starting the tread asking about touring tires.
i am definitely not considering getting these again, lol
im going to get the marathon pros