.....and do you include the bike.....maybe 40lbs for gear and bike is ultralight. But this is really only meaningless fun for the people who look at this thread and say "oh great a UL thread", and it probably detracts from the possibility of "evangelising" heavily laden tourers into applying a few UL ideas. Most tourers would say it's crazy to tour with 20lbs of gear including bags when their Arkel pannier set and handlebar bag weight 10lbs with nothing in them. But if they were to just change a couple of pieces of gear and leave some behind they might be able to drop 10 or 20lbs.
Excellent points.
On the combined bike and gear weight... That sounds like a valid approach. I have typically calculated it, but when discussing my load I typically only talk about the gear and bags.