Originally Posted by
alan s
OP, can't figure out how you came up with the bike weights
OP is apparently just making stuff up.
A Surly Troll frame weighs
about five and a half pounds. By comparison, an Ibis Tranny frame weighs
about three pounds.
And nobody is going to lift the bike onto their shoulders and "hike a few miles" with a loaded touring bike. Ever. (And yes, I have had to portage plenty of times.)