Thanks for the continued advice and input guys....I think Im gonna lean more towards a bike that does well on the road and grass, more urban. Then down the road fi I actually get back into riding pick up a mountain bike. I still like the Bad Boy for that function, just a matter of finding one now. I like the 2012 but it sounds like the 2013 is about $100 cheaper. The $100 allows me to upgrade components or just save, anyone own the 2013?...thoughts on it??