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Old 10-13-12 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
You are missing...and assuming...a lot. First, the point of the post where I lost the use of all three lights was to illustrate...perhaps illuminate...the idea of carrying backups because the unexpected happens. The lights I was using when this happened were my overvolted halogens, not LED. The mounts were...and are...different from the o-ring mounts that most of the light systems now use. Those probably wouldn't have sheared off in the kind of crash that I had.

Secondly, the crash wasn't caused by my failure to see an object in the road. I had plenty of illumination. I could see what caused the crash quite clearly and, in fact, realized my mistake as soon as I tried to climb up and onto a snow bank before I hit the ground with a mighty smack!



While I agree that a good light system mount shouldn't be easily damage in a fall, this wasn't a fall nor even a slight crash. It was, without a doubt, the hardest I have every crashed in 30+ years of epic crashes. I hit the ice lip at between 15 and 20 mph on a tangent and didn't have time to prepare for any kind of crash...something that doesn't normally happen. I smacked the pavement hard enough that a motorist traveling in the opposite direction turned around to see if I was okay and commented that he heard me hit the ground. I had a bruise that ran from my shoulder to my wrist where my arm was trapped beneath my body and a bruise on my upper thigh that resulted in a large hematoma that still has a lingering...and painful...hematoma on my thigh 2 years later.

As for cost, it's relative. A $100 light is expensive compared to a $40 light that does the same thing. A $100 light would be cheap compared to a $1200 light. If you run multiples, like I do, 3 $40 lights are a whole lot cheaper than 3 $100 lights and vastly cheaper than 3 $1200 lights.

And, again, where is the link.



I think you are still missing something. I'm not an electronics guy. I don't know a lot about that part but, I suspect, that the light makers aren't running a single LED in the lamps. They tend to run them in multiples as far as I understand. Thus you multiply the lumen output by the number of LEDs on the circuit.

Real world...as in I've seen these lights from the saddle of a bike...the Ebay Crees are as bright as anything I've used. That includes 20W, 12V, 12 degree, MR-16 halogens run at 14.4V which are car light quality. I've dabbled in using LEDs for a number of years now and I've not been impressed. I have commented in the past that the first generation Magicshines (and the Magicshine flashlights) were a giant step backwards to the output of halogens of the late 90's and 2000's. I wasn't all that impressed. These go way beyond those lights.

Finally, there's the respect issue. Your posts to me always seem to contain a jab or an assumption that I am stupid or some other kind of insult. Why? You really need to go look up agumentum ad hominem.
Well first off - let me say thanks for taking the time to post a message that actualy gives some personal insight. Sorry to hear about your crash - ice is just as hard as rock.

When I joined these forums I kinda hoped to meet some people and exchange some ideas on how to improve existing products or technology. Unfortunately what I've been unexpectedly running into most have been mostly individuals more interested in buying dollarstore items and under the impression that their experience with those represented the best the world had to offer.

And you in particular seem to make a habit of 'correcting' people - so ocassionally I've given you a taste of your own medicine. Nawwww - I doubt that you're dumb. But you seem to wanna pass yourself off as always having all the answers and no- one has that. I've spent most of my life in some of the highest tech industries in the world and most of the time I just feel dumb because the amount of money required to make even the smallest amount of progress can be staggerring.

So yeah - I get a little amused when posters post things like 'AA batteries can't really run LEDs effectively' cause I can run multiple 10W LEDs off them for hours. And yup some of my posts get a little pointed. Thing is - as far as LED technology is concerned - the automotive industry has left us in the dust and no- one in the bicycling industry even seems to have noticed.

THAT - I think could be an interesting subject for conversation. Not because I think car lights should go on bikes, but because the emphesis there is managing light output to maximize effective lighting while meeting DOT and SAE requirements - not bragging about who has the highest output emitter.

So thanks again for an objective post with some questions in it. I could certainly use some objective opinions in several areas myself and would like to think you're interested in challenging accepted limits ....constructively.
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