I just got a Brooks Saddle from permaco.com (Persons Majestic) and got a knock off price on a genuine Brooks. It was cumbersome. I e-mailed them with the item, price and shipping quoted on the website, and they had me e-mail back, and then had me use PayPal. Nonetheless, the saddle came in quite inexpensive, $69 for a Flyer S, plus $12 shipping. No wrench sent with it, but they threw in a complimentary chain minder. I got it three days after I sent in the PayPal.