I posted in the road forum something or other about a Trek road bike I used to have, and someone told me to flip it and slam it. So I lifted it over my head, upside down, and slammed it to the ground. I had to re-adjust the bars and replace the broken mirror and computer, and it scratched my B-17 a bit but the bike was still ridable. That's when I realized it was time to move on to the Fifty Plus. Also the C/A - They don't speak fluent "bicycle" in the C/A . . .