Just wanted to add, to #224 (! this thread really is getting a bit long in the tooth, as some others are also feeling), that I have seen people, including Btazilian Indians, who had such skills and facility with small fires, and cooking with small fires, who make me see these as a more viable option, at least in many camping situations, used responsibly.

I can see why some people have such an apprecation for no-cooking-required approaches, which can involve better foods and meals than most people realize.

The whole stove thing can get to be a bit much. Or, as Carla Bruni might put it, 'A Lot' -- just after singing Tres Noir: www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0rHRHICHCU


(if that doesn't work, it's 'Ullman as Carla Bruni' at www.youtube.com )

keepin it simple