Thanks for the quick replys, and thanks for the welcome. Yea its a fair deal. Nice thing about getting it from shop is that it's been tuned up and cleaned very well. Only downsides are that it doesn't come with any sort of bags (which may help for commuting) so some extra investment may be needed.i could try to offer $530 so basically with tax it would come to the 575 they had it priced at. Guess it cant hurt.The other bike i was looking at was a 2012 Raleigh Cadent ft-1 LG large for $499. It was pretty new but in my opinion had less features and didn't look quite as cool, tho it was newer and lighter I believe