I don't hate them but I dislike them enough to not buy a new one. I love my older SLC-SL. But then Gerard decided he knew more about what customers need than we do ourselves and changed the geometry to more relaxed with a tall head tube. There's nothing wrong with that - in fact it's what many people want. But there's no choice now. Anyone wanting the old set-up needs a -17 degree stem, which is crazy and the frame looks funny for any size 56 on up.