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Old 12-28-12 | 10:51 AM
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cny-bikeman
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From: Syracuse, NY

Bikes: 2008 Novara Randonee - love it. Previous bikes:Motobecane Mirage, 1972 Moto Grand Jubilee (my fave), Jackson Rake 16, 1983 C'dale ST500.

Originally Posted by cwedgwood50
When I posted that I posted in a hurry just to basically say there was a part of the bike that was physically blocking the removal of the spokes and it was the part the chain went round. I figured that someone like yourself with more experience in this would be able to reason which part I was talking about.
I have worked in several fields where my task was to solve a problem while interacting directly with people, including bike repair, computer support and telephone crisis intervention. What I learned, and passed on to others when I was in a training capacity, was that responsibilty in a helping relationship does not rest soley on the person giving assistance. The person in need of help always has a responsibility to help in solving the problem. You asked for help and then dove in without sufficient information or waiting for a response, causing a new problem and making diagnosis of the initial problem more difficult. Yes, you could have avoided the problem by waiting, or by learning more before diving in, and could have helped by going back to the Internet to learn what you did wrong or the proper term, but I did not criticize you for the error or for not knowing the correct name - I said it was an indicator that "You need to study a lot more about each step in the process."

Originally Posted by cwedgwood50
I have asked for help because I know I need it if I am to learn the skills to do this, but it does not mean that I will not question and filter the advice I receive and follow everything verbatim.
Again, my observation is that you sometimes ignored and often unfairly characterized the responses or questions. There was a suggestion to post photos, several suggestions related to determining and possibly addressing the root cause (including saying rough roads were not sufficient reason) a few opinions that you are not at the point where wheel building would be advisable, and many advising caution as you proceed due to possible safety issues. Implying that anyone attacked your lack of knowledge/terminology, told you to be afraid to touch the bike or to study for two years, or even that you should accept everything verbatim is neither accurate nor helpful, and may chase away those who might otherwise be more than glad to lend a hand.

To be clear -absolutely do not follow everything verbatim - everyone here makes mistakes and some things are just plain opinion. I can tell that you are quite intelligent, but (my opinion) you may be more focused on defending your intelligence than on what you need to learn.

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