Imzimmer, you got me on that: this seems to be a pretty small group. Wouldn't want to start trouble and lose valuable data from even one participant. Not even steel vs. Aluminum??? How about this: I think my Cdale is the $hit 'cause of that huge tubeset. The reason I wouldn't own one of their road bikes is exactly why I bought one of their tandems. And I'll bet it would test out really well against any opponent in a frame deflection test. Anybody got data on that?