Charles I appreciate your attitude and agree that whatever bike one chooses to ride the important thing is riding the bike. When I'm around DF riders, which are most of the riders in my local bike club, I don't bring-up the benefits of recumbents unless someone asks why I ride one, and even then I prefer to give my answers out of earshot of others lest someone think I'm being arrogant or something. I remember on a club ride once when I rode a Merlin Extralight with Dura Ace and Zipp wheelset and a carbon fiber frame rider said to me without a trace of humor "Titanium is for old guys." That sure put a chill in the air.