Got a hardtail. F600 Caad 4. Wanted to start with something that I can use on the trails and bad snowy commutes. I like the Avid disc brakes, the travel on the headshock is ok, its 80mm. After dropping 1700 on a road bike last year, my wife only allowed so much room for spending. If I really get into trail riding, maybe next year, I might jump up to something fs.