Thread: Fork materials
View Single Post
Old 01-27-13 | 12:02 PM
  #123  
FBinNY
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 39,897
Likes: 3,865
From: New Rochelle, NY

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

Originally Posted by wphamilton
Since OP more or less closed the topic there is a related question about the failure mode that you'd probably know about HillRider. Or FBinNY or others still reading. Conventional wisdom is that carbon fiber forks can fail without warning, and some are skeptical about the usual recommendation of tapping the material with a metal object listening for variations. So what ARE the signs of impending failure, even if you couldn't detect them riding? With the cheap hobbyist electronics these days, accelerometers, strain sensors etc, I suspect you could put together a testing circuit for what a decent fork costs. IF you were confident about what to look for. More flex? Changes in vibrations? Any idea?
You've hit on my main reason for avoiding carbon fiber in critical parts. There is no practical, reliable, non-destructive test for carbon structures. They have to be built correctly, and then it becomes almost a matter of faith that they'll hold up if not stressed beyond the design limits.

For me that's OK for aircraft because there are good protocols in place. Likewise many builders of CF bikes a d forks have equally good protocols, but I won't accept on faith that all do. Then there's the issue of stress. CF forks may be fine for racing where equipment is treated with some care, and replaced on a regular basis. But I'm not sure about the real world where bikes often get little or no maintenance and where some ride road bikes as if they were Range Rovers.

I take decent care of my equipment, but all of my bikes have been involved in crashes, or had serious run ins with water filled potholes bad enough to dent a front wheel. I'm sure a carbon fork would survive that, but unwilling to then face the decision of replacing it, or wondering about it the next time I'm descending a bumpy road at a good clip.

BTW- this shouldn't be read as an indictment of CF forks as dangerous. The experience so far shows that they aren't. If I were racing and the lower weight mattered I'd likely be another user of CF forks, but I'm not so I don't. For my purposes, for the way I ride, and for the amount of time I keep a bike, the feeling of security that an overbuilt steel steerer offers is worth the weight penalty. (to me)
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.

Last edited by FBinNY; 01-27-13 at 12:06 PM.
FBinNY is offline