I want to really thank you for sharing that link Rebel! It was highly instructive to me, and even though I have quite a bit of experience with both carbon fiber construction and bicycle frame building, and the frame failed exactly as I expected it to, the failure occurred at a sustantially higher load than I would have ever guessed. The most impressive shot to me though was where the frame was slammed against the the concrete post, and I was certain that the third guy was going to destroy that frame for sure! I know none of my steel or aluminum frames could take anything like that abuse.