i picked up the bike for cheap. i bought it for 2817 out the door and not 3500 plus tax. i reckon they can give these discounts because they dont have high end mechanics, only kids working there and stuff. ive three bikes, all bought for good value, and all have the same rd rubbing on the rear biggest cog. its getting old, im nowhere near the shop i bought them and the only good bike shop from here is far far away. i plan on making a trip there soon, but man, its gonna be costly id say. and thanks ed for your efforts. im not too sure the cable is too short, but the adjusting screw , fully adjusted in ,seems to be on the gears and if i loosen it, its really on the gears then. im quite mind boggled. it is almost like there is so much spring force in the rd that nothing can stop it from going in to the cogs.anyways thanks for the advice fellas