sorry, i suppose i could have done a search to see if there were any similar threads --- i had heard of cheap frames being referred to as "Chinarellos " before and the like, ----

Personally, i can pick up a Litespeed for a tick over a grand from several places and this is likely what i'll end up doing -- my 10 year old Litespeed Ti bike is still pretty nice and i'm a little bit brand loyal ---
but geez, i havent had a TT bike in a decade due t the lack of $$$$ --- if a good performing TT bike could be built up from a $700 frame like these tho , i'm moderately interested