I'm sorry I ever parted with my Bata Bikers. I can't seem to find anything with as stiff of sole in a casual shoe. I happened to see a Bata store in Europe and asked if they still made these and they didn't have anything close. I still have a pair of white Cannondale shoes that I will break out occasionally but the leather is really checked and the soles are pretty worn and slippery. The Bata's were a little different to walk in because the heal was so low but they worked well and didn't get hot. Nice find Al.