Originally Posted by twahl
Sounds like that's what is taught in California. I'm not saying that I don't see people do it often, but that's not what I was taught. Most intersections of any significance around here do have a left turn arrow which usually goes first, before the straight, then the left turners have to yield of green after the arrow.
I'm sorry, but on a bike or in a car, the middle of an intersection is not where I want to be sitting still. Legal or not, I'm not sitting out there.
Ah, but if the light turns yellow, and you're not in the intersection, you can get a ticket for running a red light if you proceed to turn left after the other cars clear. We're talking about making left turns where there is no left turn signal, and you have to wait for a clear spot in oncoming traffic.