Agreed. All Keen shoes I have seen have very wide toe boxes. When a shoe store worker measures my feet, they are not even as wide as E. My feet are size 11 in length, but I cannot wear 11E shoes. It turns out that the widest point in my feet is farther forward than the widest point on normal feet. That's why wide shoes are not wide enough for me. As I said above, I just wear size 12 from now on, and I'm thinking of going up to 12-1/2. I can keep my feet back in the shoe if I need by putting padding on the underside of the tongue, leaving lots of room in front of my toes, which neither helps nor hurts.