Originally Posted by
KonAaron Snake
Agree with Fender...I have a Nitto Dynamic and, based on merits rather than aesthetics or originality, prefer it to the Cinelli because of vertical adjustability.
Can't agree. I've had both on bikes, once on the same bike - at least a Cinelli 1A and a Nitto Technomic Deluxe. To adjust vertical on either one, you loosen the quill bolt, hit it with a wrench or something to knock the wedge or cone loose, and then you have a loose stem in a fork - total adjustability. If it doesn't work this way, there is some corrosion making it tough to break loose - i.e. the stem was not greased before installation.
One thing that does make a difference is a wedge offset quill clamp versus a cone expander quill clamp. The cone design takes up less space in the steer tube. If you have a small frame, the extra centimeter will make a big difference. Despite the taller quill, I can't identify a difference in stem stiffness, at least not in my recollections of riding the Masi with both setups. Nearly all Nittos are wedge, though I think they may have sold some Pearls with cones. Vintage 1A's had cones, as did vintage 3TTTs.
The Tech Deluxe and Pearl both have the hbar clamp bolt threading into a nicely shaped nut that is virtually impossible to strip, and is a lot more robust than the captive allen nut used in vintage Cinelli 1As - I once broke one from over tightening. Since then I went to using a torque wrench - finding specialized Italian replacement fasteners is a PITA. Better not to break anything in the first place.
So: stiffness and finish, even as far as I can tell, depending on model of Nitto. Quill clamp: Cinelli vintage takes the nod. Hbar clamp: Nitto if the top models (Tech Deluxe yes, Technomic no).
Michael, I'd say (as did someone else): choose your bars based on planned usage and your fit requirements, select a stem dimension to fit the bars on the bike and position your hands properly, then select a stem that meets your constraints (quill rise, extension, clamp size and aesthetics/style) - top-down, function-driven design. I wouldn't worry about if one flexes a bit more than the other.