I always love it when the A&S debates descend into arguments about logical fallacies and semantics while leaving behind the meat of the debate.

Perhaps A&S needs a "Roberts rules of Order-like" sticky thread, so we can debate the rules of logic, semantics and statistics... and leave behind the stuff related to cycling.

Go out and ride folks... have a nice day. (oh and watch out for the cell phone using drunk driver speeding by...)